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-I guess I don't understand wasting 10 minutes of your season premire bashing your fans. Especially with bashing that only those fans will get. At least she wasn't unfortunate looking.

-Dean said "Cram it with walnuts!" That is my favorite Homer phrase ever. Also, "Asshat."

-I thought Satan's Chosen One gave in too easily. Is he a character from a previous season?

-Not a fan of the new Meg. Demons are not a mash-up of Wednesday Addams As Protrayed By Christina Ricci and Mae West. Why dontcha come on down ta Hell and schee me a while?

-Cas is Jesus, y/n

-Dean's haircut makes him look middle-aged and prone to dining at Perkins.

-The audio was crap. I had to blare the volume, then a commercial would come on and deafen the room and my cat would scowl at me.

-I was kinda hoping Steph would play Satan. CW synergy FTW, and think of how much mileage I'd get out of The Dark One wears a size 12.

-How come apocalyptic events only happen suburban or rural America? You'd think the devil would vessel up somewhere that Dean and Sam would have trouble getting to.

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I completely and totally hated the fangirl bits. Granted, yeah, at least she isn't fat and ugly, that's something, but still.

But it really goes back to my theory that Kripke is a fanfic writer at heart. Everything about him screams it. The crack, the self-referential "humor," the meta, the fanservice, the baiting, the emoporn. When I view it that way, it doesn't bother me as much, mostly because I can see it as being about as lame as any other fanfic writer who's gotten too big for their breeches. Go bask in your internet fame, my dear.

Nick is new, not a character from the past. I have no problems with him giving in so quickly. They already spent half an episode building him up. They can't realistically drag the seduction out for longer than that. I already feel like they spent too long in making a character interesting that I'm most likely never going to see again.

I like new!Meg.

Nick/Satan: I admit I was disappointed right off the bat because when I had mentioned I was anxious to see who was going to be playing the devil, my friend was like Oh.It's.Good. And while I recognized the actor, I really couldn't place him. His epicness is lost on me, I guess.

I agree the seduction didn't need to be longer. Let's get this apocalypse on the road! But, since it's just a throw away character either it should have been gut-wrenching (instead of way too easy, fan-ficcy dead baby) or it should have been done in a quick cut. Guy entering house with spooky gate; guy looking smug and devilish, leaving house, smirking and snapping his fingers. I think not knowing what they guy had be promised/bullied with would have been more involving.

The fangirl stuff. It's bullying. Fandom doesn't have much of a traditional defense, and the only true recourse is to stop watching. Either way, you lose. Stay and be mocked, or leave and miss out. Luckily, I've been in wrestling fandom so long, I'm used to the mocking.

What you said about Kripke=fanfic writer is true. Dean and Sam are MarySues. Self-inserts of obvious, sometimes laughable degrees. You know Kripke listens to what Dean listens to, thinks that car is awesome, etc. It gets very tiring to be reminded that male fantasies no matter how bald or obvious are okay, and that female fantasies deserve mocking.

I don't see how the Sam&Dean pairing is any different from the Dahm Triplets posing together in Playboy. Guys joke about wanting to nail twins all the time, and you know they're expecting twin on twin in the scenario. And this is coming from someone who has a v. low opinion of incest fic.

Mark Pellegrino, the guy who plays Nick, is an actor I like, but everything I've seen him in, he's playing a sleazebag, so when his casting was announced, I was kinda dubious. He actually kinda impressed me. I've never seen him do grief-stricken, and I thought he did a fairly decent job, beyond my expectations based on what I know of his work. But it remains to be seen how he'd handle playing Lucifer.

Yeah, I agree the dead wife + baby thing was cliched, very much a short cut. Comparatively, the guy in "Metamorphosis" (that ep with the normal guy gradually turning into a flesh eating monster) was more heartbreaking and a much more "original" source of angst.

Yes. Bullying. Because I think I said in one of my complainy entries that the power level is WAY different. And exactly, there is no recourse for a fan to respond to something like that. I honestly don't find much good-humored about it. Kripke may think he's fondly teasing, but you don't need intent for your actions to be asshole-ish.

It gets very tiring to be reminded that male fantasies no matter how bald or obvious are okay, and that female fantasies deserve mocking.

THIS. THIS THIS THIS. Because Dean is SO VERY MUCH Kripke's Mary Sue. And god yes, men have sexualized female siblings for ages. But when chicks do it to male siblings, it's DEVIANT. What the fuck ever.

The episode felt short enough as it was without spending time on "look at what these whacky girls do!" For me it wasn't her so much, I think because I saw her as a Fae kind of fan, but the waste of time.

I was underwhelmed with their choice of Lucifer's vessel, mostly because he played a poorly constructed pseudo villain on Dexter for a while.

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